Her favorite moments in uniform include singing for the President of the United States at a West Point Graduation, singing the National Anthem at a New England Patriots game, and singing with The Roots on NBCs The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. My CWO put him in his place and ask what would this cadet' commanding officer would think of his conduct and told him to leave. We're also the one demographic that gives the socialist/communists nightmares because they know they can't take us head on in any manner so they go through the younger people to reach their aims. So I think he had it right. Required fields are marked *. Staff Sergeant Cardone earned her Bachelor of Music, magna cum laude, in . Her accolades include a Grammy Award for "Best Engineered Album - Classical," engineering and mastering credits on multiple Grammy-nominated albums, an "Award of Excellence" from the Audio Engineering High Resolution Recording Competition, and a Downbeat Award for "Best Engineering for a Live Recording." As for me, while a SNCO would in general be qualified to succeed a LT as platoon leader, any such succession would need to be limited to a short term basis. Maj. Michael A. Crosby, left, bears the colors of Army Futures Command, as General Mark Milley, 23rd Secretary of the Army Mark Esper, and General John M. Murray unfurl the colors on 24 August 2018, in Austin, Texas A command sergeant major ( CSM) is a non-commissioned rank and position of office in the United States Army. Command Sergeant Major: CSM Scott Drewes: The West Point Band (also known as the U.S. Military Academy Band or USMA Band) is the U.S. Army's oldest active band and the oldest unit at the United States Military Academy, traces its roots to the American Revolutionary War. of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service Mids rank between W-1 and W-2 last time I had occasion to check. Medical students do not do anything on their own authority, and it would be illegal as they are unlicensed. OK, fine. As others have commented, folks should remember that those Cadets that you give a hard time to will in a short time become those officers that are in charge of writing your NCOERs never mind the fact that they also will be your leaders when deployed in a combat zone ( I served in the 1st Cav Div during Desert Shield and Storm), in other words garbage in equals garbage out. After completion of basic training, he attended Advanced Individual Training at Fort Eustis, VA, where he completed the UH-60 Helicopter Repairman course. I agree with you Sir. In other words, each the SNCO and the cadet would be functioning appropriately. A Gunny at 29Palms RTAMS and a Chief at NASA/AMES CA are among my most treasured mentors. Cadets were not entitled to receive salutes from enlisted personnel. Within the cadet corps there was a rank structure and cadets saluted other cadets with rank above theirs. She has always been passionate about how music and design can bring people together. I respect ALL Personnel of the US ARMED FORCES and Civilians appointed over me. In her free time, she enjoys spending time with her husband and two incredible sons. Example: In the U.S. Military a Warrant Officer (W-2W-5) are commissioned but are not gentlemen officers. Cadets and NCOs do not salute one another. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet. I agree totally with enlisted not saluting a cadet. Allow them to lead you too! I believe my words only carried weight because I've already been in the Army for 10 years and the Senior cadre knew this (I didn't get in any trouble). Very nice endorsements. Scotts writing focuses largely on veterans issues, but he is also a big proponent of Constitutional rights and has a deep interest in politics. Major Rusty A.. Assumption of command under these conditions is announced per paragraph 2-5. Yes I have seen a misguided ROTC cadet DEMAND a salute from an E-9 once. And make it quick Lieutenant. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. To this day I credit a lot of the success I had when I went on active duty after I graduated to this great NCO. Command Sergeant Major Robert T. Craven 26th Command Sergeant Major United States Corps of Cadets, West Point CSM Robert T. Craven hails from Swords, Louisiana and enlisted in the U.S. Army in March 1995. I practice it for all things because that was my mom golden rule from childhood to yesterday (dementia stole her from me). CSM Robert T. Craven hails from Swords, Louisiana and enlisted in the U.S. Army in March 1995. The reason "cadets" are even mention in a gentlemans role is due to long ago medieval social customs. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. As he worked in our platoon, we all quietly covered for him, especially when he got misoriented now and then (analog land nav isn't simple, especially when mounted) after a few months he was squared away and we taught him our secrets and he never betrayed us. It is a chain of command situation. As it turns out, West Point cadets *do* outrank Army noncommissioned officers (NCOs). Hope this was brief enough for you or TL:DR? 133. Does the cadet have offiCial orders? I always say Semper Fi or Airborne when I return salute. Now, based on personal experience, I cannot say I was comfortable at all with the USMA grad who came into Iraq (2004-06). U.S. ARMY INSTALLATION MANAGEMENT COMMAND, "We Are the Army's Home - The Army isnt some pay your dues ol boys club anymore. "(3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16." Thats what the reg says, but how does that work in practice? Specifically, it allows them to try their hands at officership, and to get a feel for the kinds of officer/NCO relationships that are essential to the success of our Army. Imagine that, good ol Top didnt read the entire regulation, only the part that suited his narrativeshocked. $9.99 + $6.85 shipping . USAG Yuma Proving Grounds, n Principal Engineer Colorado . This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. Subscribe to our email newsletter to receive exclusive news, updates, and concert schedules for the band. which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. We have other job description s (stores /rations handling.. what that person is responsible for , order for commissary ration/breakdown The better we helped him to understand the less he has to look for answers. DeCA, West Point Commissary adjust . Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. Sure I went through some hazing ( Sir, could you go to the motor pool and ask the motor sergeant for a left thermal heat reticle calibration tool? I was sent all over the place until I finally caught on.) Ask any SJA. The key to success in your career is understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your key players AKA your subordinate leaders and junior Soldiers. What comes after is when the real learning begins. They assume command until relieved by proper authority except as provided in 2-8c. So when would a cadet actually be in charge? Maj. Joel Crawford, USAG West Point Command Sergeant Major by West Point Garrison and Community 2012 - 2014: Col. Dane D. Rideout, USAG West Point Commander by West Point Garrison and Community 1 2012 - 2014 . From the enlisted perspective, while drilling with my Guard unit, there was confusion as to where exactly Cadets fit in to the scheme of things. My CTLT with D 1/47th IN (1983) was an amazing experience preparing me to enter an Army in transition, and the esprit de corps and commitment to duty extended from CPT Barber to every member of the command, even their temporary members (a USMA Cadet and me), with especially valuable membership from NCOs in the command. Forces Korea, the Department of Defense, or any agency of the U.S. government. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. Great investment. So fairly similar arrangement as with cadets. The garrison supports a base population of over 16,500 Soldiers, Civilians, Family Members, and Contractors as well as supporting over 40,000 retirees in the area. I think the part of the reg people have over looked is "the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier will assume command". She has served as Operations NCOIC since 2017. Combined Forces Special Operations Component Command, n Deputy Division Chief, Enduring Sites Division Baghdad, Iraq Upon completion of preflight we went to flight school. The views expressed are those of the authors, and do not reflect the official position of the United States Military Academy, Department of the Army, or Department of Defense. That is why cadets dont go to parade rest while talking to NCOs. She earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts in graphic design from the School of Visual Arts in New York City. I work with my leadership and learn from them and they help to shape me to become a good officer. Thank you! If married his spouse is always addressed a "Lady so and so.". In my case I was lucky and had a CO who was ROTC cadre and knew what to do with me. They are everywhere and plugged into everything. I highly doubt any West Point graduate will magically "see the light" after reading my imput on this discussion. My first platoon leader was OCS, my other two were USMA. It can be a very valuable and rewarding experience if done right and an unfortunate waste of time for the CDT and unit if its not. I let crap roll off of my back, but when I attended Fort Knox this last summer there were way too many NCOs who had a big chip on their shoulder. I was an Air Force Aviation Cadet during the late 1950's. Throughout his career as both an Airman and Civilian, he has served in numerous assignments at locations: n Chief, Public Works Fort Eustis, VA We want to mold a new Officer to become a great leader we can always remember but there's a limit to what we're willing to do. Payback is one reason to avoid it. He graduated with a Master of Music in composition from Bowling Green State University and a Bachelor of Music in composition from the Capital University Conservatory of Music. They always forgot to take the safety bail/pin out of the RPG fuze and the round would just bounce off our Bradleys, lol. If you think a fellow West Point graduate is a great leader, see how she/he behaves after having a soldier vaporized by an RPG in front of him. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and as such know who and where you are able to receive the BEST mentorship and hands on experience. Luckily, my trusty CWO officer witness this kid who likes to give orders about something he knows nothing about and showing his outstanding example of a true and morale officer. It is the oldest of the five American service academies and . entitled to the salute.". Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of Served in the regulars from 1983 to 1985, and from 1987 to 1989. From the senior officer perspective we were largely ignored. Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. The only regularly assigned cadets are in the national guard or reserves as a SMP Cadet. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. A Leaders Guide to Conducting Research Staff Rides, Its a Bird, Its a Plane, Its. Staff Sergeant Taylor is an accomplished composer whose works have been internationally published and performed. We can feel confident we did our hob helping train a. A wise cadet will be mindful of their position. We always give you a chance before we let you sink your career all on your own. No Salute should be required or rendered. Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook; . *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs I did 24 years in the ARMY and have been led by West Pointers! Cadets are Officers period and should be rendered the appropriate courtesy. It was never the SNCOs, it was always a SSG, SGT, or junior enlisted Soldier disrespecting these cadets (myself included). I say this as a retired officer. They've shown great patience, respected my process, and I am grateful for these SFCs, MSGs, and SGMs. My NCOs treated me with respect while I was a midshipman, but taught me what it meant. Only through a wriiten agreement from the pms tonthe guard commander are allowed to serve as acting LT's. Sorry, I wrote that on the go from a mobile device, and can't edit it. And cadets initiate salutes to any commissioned officer. While in New York, she won second prize in the Alexander and Buono International Flute Competition. Appreciate your reply. She is the premier vocalist for the West Point Band and first sang with them at their season finale 1812 concert in 1980, at the age of 12. In flight school cadets qualified for flight pay in addition to their regular pay. That just goes to show that the regular cadets get crapped on and they can't change it. So our government invested thousands on a lying, dishonest, ill-informed, and immature man child to lead others. Sir. Enough of my rant! Cadets salute one another and it is initiated according to cadet rank. Working as a deputy or person number 2 is always a difficult task. Combined Security Transition Command Afghanistan (Ministry of Defense Advisor), n Engineering Director Kabul, Afghanistan Nurses don't outrank med students or vice-versa. They dont commission until CW2 but I guess they dont really count as Officers either. And if for one second you think any Infantrymen will ever do something that violates our Constitutional form of government, you've made the worst assumption of your young life. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. I asked if he gave the cadets in his unit a hard time as part of their CTLT experience. Sergeant Major Jeremy Schlegel, from Hanover Township, Pennsylvania, joined the West Point Band in August of 2008. West Point outlines quarantine, isolation guidelines in playbook April 1, 2020. Cadets were sons of the upper class and were, due to social norms, afforded gentlemans status. Good Grunts care less for their next promotion beyond making sure our records are correct. In July 2001, after graduation from high school, Perez entered the United States Military Academy at West Point. We need not be concerned about the proviso of either 2-15 or 2-16 as each applies to a Soldier under certain sanctions of discipline. He previously served as the NCOIC of supply at the U.S. Army School of Music. By Command Sgt. Staff Sergeant Noah D. Taylor of Columbus, Ohio, joined the West Point Band in May of 2015. Future leader in some position in our AF. Requirements for a USAF Aviation Cadet at the time were two years of college and passing scores on a series of IQ and skills tests such as mathematics, logic, and spatial relations. Technically. Interestingly, when a graduating cadet received his commission, (there were no females in the cadet corps in those days), his commission was backdated 15 months to the date he entered the cadet program, giving him a lead on promotion to first lieutenant. In the military, XO refers to a second-in-command officer, or more generally, an executive officer.The XO typically reports to the commanding officer, who also goes by the names the first lieutenant and the number one. No matter what route an O receives his commission by, he will regard his SNCOs and NCOs who trained him with the utmost honor and respect. Naval Facilities Command Expeditionary Warfare Center, n Region Security Engineer Naples, Italy I retired ten years ago as an 11B SNCO with 26 years in service and a star on my CIB. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. Shiver me timbers he pooped on the deck. Other courses attended include the U.S. Army Airborne School, Air Assault School, Combative Level 2, Master Resiliency Trainers Course, Battle Staff Course, First Sergeants Course, and the United States Army Force-Management Course. I was now an active duty Captain with a right shoulder patch ( a big deal in those days ) and a couple of combat medals on my chest ( not bragging but including because of the story ). Nobody reads your comments past the first four lines. Eight cadet-athletes were selected to leadership positions and will assume their duties Aug. 10. I thought this is a very well written article. Oh please. As a CDT, I was generally treated pretty well at my unit, this could have been because I was Mustang Officer in training and a former NCO, and that my CO was part of the cadre at Western Illinois, so she made it a point to assign me to a vacant officer position, in this case kind of a huge assignment as the Maintenance PLT LDR at a MED Truck CO, whereas most units dont even know what to do with a CDT. I wondered about it at the time and this reminded me of it, is this more of like a courtesy thing where Warrants dont salute each other and shake hands instead? Give credit where its due and stop making it about you. Point is that one never knows what lies down the road so I try to treat everyone with respect regardless of their rank or position. The authors creative example about an NCO looking at a lugnut and an officer looking at the whole vehicle is nuts (bad humor). The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. I had a CO at one point who absolutely had a genuine dislike for NCOs and believed them to be useless. While Deployed with the Corps in support of Operation Inherent Resolve, he also assumed duties as the Combined Joint Task Force (OIR) J-3 Sergeant Major. You see there is a important reason that the strap be properly secured to the six foot ground rod driven into the ground. Commander Navy Region Europe, Southwest Asia, Africa, n Senior Advisor, Installation Management Kabul, Afghanistan It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. *Back to the story: At first, I let things go and decided someone had to be tough on these kids, but after a while, I couldn't let it roll on. FOOLISH it is for there to be any antagonism between NCOs and cadets, or NCOs and lieutenants. West Point Staff Deputy Chief of Staff: Adjutant General (G1) Deputy Chief of Staff: Strategic Plans and Assessment (G5) Chief Information Officer/G6 Deputy Chief of Staff: Operations, Plans, Training, Force Protection, International Affairs and Security Cooperation Inspector General Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Equal Opportunity SHARP Office Other notable assignments include working within the 2/320, United States Military Academy Preparatory School, Simon Center for the Professional Military Ethic. Will that is incorrect. I see that USMA had a proud communist recently graduate, he might as well spit in my face and all other better warriors than myself before me. Each job is as important as the rest. But short of that, cadets can end up in just about anywhere. I say these factors because while the SNCO is focused on the lugnut and wheel base the Year 3 cadet is looking at the whole of the Humvee and as much of the landscape around it as he can scope out. Practice ought to comport with policy. IQ averages are around 120 for most Grunts and for those that don't track demographics, that's a huge jump from national averages. 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. That sounds like a fun and challenging job. How would a cadet be regularly assigned? Command Sergeant Major Glidewell entered the United States Army in July 1981, and completed Basic Training at Fort Jackson, SC. 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