Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. While serving Provost duty in Washington he arrived a few minutes after Lincoln was assassinated. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Michael He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Jim Snedeker I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. What year did Mickey Lolich close his donut shop? (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. Collect, curate and comment on your files. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Donut Shoppe Patron Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. $10.00 shipping. August 7, 2018 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. With the NFL regular season quickly approaching lets cheer on our 2009 Lake Orion High School graduate and current Safety for the Dallas Cowboys JEFF HEATH! Al That would make him a star in today's market. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Rusty played another decade. August 7, 2018 Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. April 23, 2003 Lolich, the winningest lefty in Tigers history as well as their all-time strikeouts leader reluctantly agreed to go to New York. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Max Power McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. April 24, 2003 All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. 170 lbs.? August 7, 2018 Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. April 6, 2012 December 8, 2006 He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Lolich was a fine pitcher. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Lolich, the original portly portsider, now runs an old-fashioned, 22-stool coffee and doughnut joint. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Doug S. October 19, 2011 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Jamey Bumbalo Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. January 12, 2011 A total bust as a Met. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. August 7, 2018 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! I know the one in Lake Orion was probably open till the early 90s. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. He had terrific stuff. Shari He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. February 28, 2003 Really? So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. October 18, 2008 And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. LA-Mets His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Ramblin' Pete November 12, 2006 He later resurfaced with the Padres. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. December 13, 2007 March 2, 2003 Jim Snedeker bob saunders February 28, 2003 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. August 11, 2015 eddiek Mickey Lolich Stats, Fantasy & News. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. May 6, 2003 Mickey, his nickname, had 2,832 career strikeouts when he retired the most by a left-handed pitcher in Major League . He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. =Chuck= Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. And Rusty Staub? He started 45 games and completed 29. Bobster1985 November 3, 2006 October 19, 2011 October 19, 2011 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Peter Mickey is also best known as, 3-time MLB All-Star who started more games as a pitcher than anyone in Detroit Tigers history. Undetermined. pete Poor Met fans! That would make him a star in today's market. March 22, 2005 December 20, 2019 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. His ERA jumped by more than a run to 4.77, and he compiled a 14-14 record in 40 games. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Michael Mickey liked his doughnuts. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. feat fan Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. eddiek He had terrific stuff. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Thanks for the memories, Mick! I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Really? But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? October 2, 2005 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. December 20, 2019 The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Max Power Mickey liked his doughnuts. April 30, 2009 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Mickey liked his doughnuts. Bartolo Colon etc). There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. That would make him a star in today's market. December 8, 2006 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. He had terrific stuff. Ramblin' Pete Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? October 4, 2005 November 3, 2006 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Jamey Bumbalo Randy Tate God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Shickhaus Franks Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. And complaining about how fat he was? Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Man, those pitches were big ones. April 27, 2013 Mickey loved his Harley. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. 170 lbs.? Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. October 13, 2008 That's more realistic but generous, I think! However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Staub was one of our heroes and for the Mets to trade him for a guy that owned and operated (and apparently ate often at) donut shops in the off season was gut wrenching. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. bogeyman Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. August 7, 2018 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. How good were they? Mr. Sparkle April 27, 2013 December 8, 2006 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Stu Baron Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. October 4, 2005 John Bruce October 18, 2008 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. Raymond Malcuit Jr. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. bob saunders Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! He started 45 games and completed 29. (thankfully returning in '81). My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Doug S. December 20, 2019 Shows included risque "girlie acts" with ladies who exposed their KNEES! He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. July 31, 2002 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. - Now for the trade itself. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? End of Line I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. feat fan Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Baseball burnt him out. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Cut him some slack. September 25, 2013 May 9, 2002 May 7, 2013 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Shari But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. The point is he made a bad team worse. Rusty played another decade. ''I drove a motorcycle, not a Cadillac. Mickey Lolich seemed so overweight and out of shape that he threw almost underhand. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. April 6, 2012 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Man, he was a big one. snook No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. November 12, 2006 Bartolo Colon etc). HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Rusty played another decade. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. 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