With a name like Pride, which is english, it would seem that Thomas Carpenter was not the only white to intermarry at this time. I have sent a message to the man that seems to have been the first to add this information to his tree as everyone after him, was traced back to him. Wurteh Elizabeth Watts passed away on 1814 in Cherokee, Alabama, USA. I too am a descendant of Moytoy (he would be 8th grandfather). CVCC announces President's List for Fall 2022. Actually The carpenter family can be traced back to people in English Parliment and with in some Bourbon's in French court. Can we clean up the profile of "Wurteh Watts" ? My mother was a Cherokee woman and my father was a white man. Lucy Benge Lowrey: Lucy is usually described as the sister of Bob Benge and is commonly listed with Wurteh as her mother. recovering TV News Anchor Joseph Vann, son of James Vann, inherited the vast wealth of James Vann even though it went against the Cherokee tradition of a Clan distributing it among all members. The Nation had it right. The last thing you should be worried about is who is or isn't a real Cherokee. Name: Fred Buckner, Phone number: (870) 257-5707, State: AR, City: Cherokee Village, Zip Code: 72529 and more information i am james barry stricklin of savannah,tn and i am a desendant of cheif moytoy and granny hopper through thomas essary to minnie essary ,but i nee help with this please send an e-mail to hardinco2000@yahoo.com and tell me how im kin. Kathie gets out her big broom to clean up the mess! Moytoy II Emperor of the Cherokees.I'm extremely interested in finding others who are descendants to Moytoy IIemail wsxr1 at yahoo dot com. The bio says William Dorton Sr. became a man of local prominence, and a captain of the Russell Co. 2. We share the same 9th grandfather. Amazing! She studied archaeology at Sheffield University and graduated with first class honours. My tree also indicates that I'm descended from Powhatan & Moytoyhowever, I'm NOT interested in chasing that proof. Help us find our relatives and know what being Cherokee means. I would think that would be a HUGE fraud on the Ancestry.Com people, Thank you so much. I have a few research partners from that line that validate this. In May 2017, Newton-John announced that she had breast cancer that had metastasized to the sacrum. The following students who have a grade point average of 3.8 to 4.0 were recognized: Watts led his first major action of the Cherokee-American wars in 1786 against the forces of the State of Franklin over their incursions into the territory of the Overhill Cherokee. Email me if you would like to share info. Now I had the surname Moytoy I decided to check for matches on Ancestry and found several all connected to Rainmaker Moytoy. Elizabeth was Cherokee. White Wing's son Richard Adkins is my 5th gr-grandfather. thanks,Pam Treu pamtreu@gmail.com, Who was your Mother and her father? Thanks Amanda I appreciate your comments. >k.c. Maybe but my relatives still live in West Virginia that comes step by step of going to the moytoy. Your family disgraced our people. What is so astonishing is that my mother is descended from Mary Moore Ayres and John Amory while my father is descended from Mary and Thomas Ayres! Obediah Benge lived in Georgia while John Benge was also alive and living there. In September 1792, Watts assembled a large gathering of Cherokee and Muscogee warriors (which included some cavalry). Family connections all wrong, dates way off, and no proofs, which is worse than no website.http://www.dagulaku.com/Wappa' e-shiquechi' nika. I also found this story interesting, as I always assumed that Amatoya was full blood. What do you make of all this? Because I have and so have other elders who I know. My 5 ggrma is on the Drennen Roll, Martha Whiting. How can all these cousin be wrong. Watts's mother, Oousta, was a sister of Cherokee chiefs Attakullkulla Carpenter 1702-1777 and Old Tassel - Great Eagle Carpenter 1702-1777, father to Chief DoubleHead, Hanging Maw and Pumpkin Boy, . Tony Wilt (R-Harrisonburg) Del. Amazed (not really) at the numbers of people who post but have no clue about the lack of documentation for Moytoy (more than one alleged) and any possible documented living descendants. Lugie Watts Mackey. The "provable dna" blood-ties via validated lineages and delineations only became re-defined during the time of Native American removal [Trail of Tears for example], and federal rolls for purposes of documenting the Nation, by the US Government, came into effect. Research Research Research. Elizabeth states that her father was born in Monroe County, Tennessee and that her mother . Mitochondrial DNA from a direct descendant of Charity Adkins shows that Charity's mother was a white woman - mostly English and Irish - not native American. cherokee limestone mesquite washington stafford bastrop harker heights aledo celina elgin wimberley lake dallas tyler . What a beautiful, interesting and insightful article! Grateful for all posts and terribly fascinated by their contents. Verified. I am related to Amatoya through his son, Old Hop, Sookie Hopper, Catherine McDaniel, Mary Elvira Hensley, Mary Elvira Ward, to Lille Belle Holland, who is my 3rd great grandmother! LDS microfiche #6016960-Volume 95. I neither have to prove myself to you nor defend my ancestors' actions nearly 230 years ago. Watts became particularly active in the fighting after frontiersmen murdered his uncle, Old Tassel Carpenter 1708-1788, in 1788, while he traveled with Cherokee delegates to a peace conference. Each marriage was consummated under the Cherokee laws. These men seem to have been separated by 100 years!? I believe he should be detached from Wurteh. She was lasoknown as Raven. DNA test results DO NOT EVER prove even a tribe, much less descendancy from Moytoy. Servt.Jim SwordsJamestown/Wmbg, VA. Looks like we are distant cousins through Nancy Ward, Cornstalk, Moytoy and everyone else! I have a public tree on Ancestry.com which you can go to with this link http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/9762032/family?cfpid=-747754218&selnode=1. Cherokee Juliette Brewer. The senior Watts, father of Young Tassell, served as the official British government Indian interpreter for the area until his death in 1779. I do not know to put this together to prove it. I'd love to see your DNA results. Please email me is any of u share a connection hhokomo@aol.com. As mentioned earlier the Dawes Rolls are available on the internet. This is a magnificent summary of all the research youve done, Kathie! I don't see a purpose to it. Yes, because of them I have had a better life. It was to be a three-pronged attack: Tahlonteeskee (aka Ataluntiski) would lead a force to ambush the Kentucky road; Middle Striker would take the Walton road; and Watts would lead the main army of 280 Cherokee, Shawnee, and Muscogee warriors against Nashville (it was then the capital of the Miro District of the new Southwest Territory). I'be heard researchers say there is no Carpenter Cherokee connection and that it cannot be proved that Thomas Carpenter was ever married to a Cherokee woman or was a ship owner. **Also known as Sally, Sookie, and Granny Hopper. The son of Elizabeth Emory was an entry to denote Ta-lo-nv-ti-s-gi as the older [half-]brother of John Jolly as per Starr, A32, pg 472. . The DNA test do not show tribe. Circumstantial evidence supports this marriage. . It sounds as if intermarriage began so early, it would be difficult to ever establish a true degree of Indian blood. My blessings to each of my Moytoy blood ties!! I am also a descendant of Amatoya Moytoy. The census records only state Ireland as their birth Country. More About BEULAH F TUCKER:1902-07 Dawes roll: card# 3855, roll# 9297Blood: 1/32 Cherokee, Sheila, If still around the board here, I'd enjoy corresponding with you and tapping your knowledge on William D. and Grasshopper McDaniel and their children. I have a lot of information about our trees if you'd like to contact me at zevranroman@yahoo.com. A deposition from Trader Robert Due/Dews from 1777 stated that Old Tassel was the uncle of John Watts Young Tassel. ( Colonial and State Records of North Carolina, Volume 22, Pages 995-1005, Deposition of Robert Dews concerning relations with Native Americans, January 22, 1777. I'm also related to them as well. Elizabeth Watts Net Worth. 1 1 1 2 5 3 1 4 1 5: Nancy Ann Ivey. I'm a descendent of Gosaduisga and have seen some conflicting info, but your research has been insightful. Query: My great great grandmother, Elizabeth Floyd, married a Cherokee man, name unknown. She can't give you any sources, because their are none. Hello,Sorry you spent so much time Copying and Pasting My Formally Copyrighted Work, published in LEGEND OF THE WOLF, ISBN Formally Registered Globally, which Proves You a Plagarist Guilty of Formal Copyright Infringement. I am the 7th great grand-daughter of Prudence the daughter of Old Hop. 1,645 Followers, 658 Following, 578 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Elizabeth Watts Schrack (@elizabethwatts5) elizabethwatts5. I started to check out my matches and my second cousins on GEDMATCH. -KARYN BISHOFALSO DO ANY OF THESE NAMES LINE UP WITH YOURS?WHICH NAME DID YOU OBTAIN ENROLLMENT FROMchief murmuring ripplechief morning rippleshawandochief dancing streamchief running stream/ powhatan (the chief powhatan)scent flowermorning scent flower- paupauwiskenonomatatiske winuskewahunsonocockvirginia metis powhatanthomas munsawghewinanuske nonomaopechancanoughnamontackpride chalakahatha cornstalktaminad munsawghelocha quatsy nancy of tellicothomas pasmere corn planter carpenteramatoya moytoy (amadoya) (ama edohi) trader tom carpenterkana-gatoga moytoy- old hop/ stalking turkeysu-gi sookie moytoyanigatagewi moytoyamadoyamadoni moytoy********su-gi sallie/sally grannie/granny grasshopperMARY MCDANIELWILLIAM MCDANIEL********anuwagi peggy moytoycornelius doughertyjames doughertyelizabeth doughertynathan lawsonsampson david lawsongeorge w lawsonmary mahala j lawsoneverette s baldwin (my grandfather)beverly baldwin-bishof (my mom)karyn bishof (me). They captured and burned Gillespie's Station, killing its defenders and taking several prisoners. News personality. Both are on the Dawes Final Rolls out of Oklahoma. The same Joseph Vann who Cheucunsene (Dragging Canoe) vowed to kill if he ever stepped foot in Cherokee lands again. As for Corn Blossom GAH wholly fictional. [1] Her mother died about 1876 and she appears alone on the 1880 Cherokee census. Hire a real Cherokee genealogist and accept the DOCUMENTED TRUTH. An additive foray for stories, pictures and information about the ancestry and descendants of the James Family. Elizabeth was Cherokee. I just was googling Attacullaculla's decendents and came across the name "Nancy Ward". She left Elijah, taking "little Nancy" with her, then became the 3rd wife of Tecumseh. We are, at the least, distantly related. On the way to Knoxville, the war party encountered the small settlement of Cavett's Station. I had assumed that meant John Forked Tail WATTS. After they had surrounded the place, Bob Benge negotiated with the inhabitants, agreeing that if they surrendered, their lives would be spared. It is my humble opinion that they were wrong. But, that is a whole other story as it turned out to be Choctaw. Carie Adkins Westbrookcariewestbrook@live.com, Hi my name is Quatsie Brim I'm 22, born in Oklahoma and I know that from my family history and my family members that I have a strong connection with this group of Cherokees in this page. Can you please share with me the sources you are using to back the data on your Moytoy I? To broaden the results, try using our global search. su-gi sookie moytoy is my 7th great grandmotherkana-gatoga moytoy- old hop/ stalking turkey, if I am remembering correctly was su-gi's Father. I am a direct descendant of Col. Stephen Copeland. I am positive tho that I am descendant of Moytoy's grandaughter White Wing "big Nancy" Cornstalk, d.o. It can only tell you if you have a percentage of native american DNA. She never existed, there is not one schred of factual evidence that she was a real person. This is so sad. Download: small (250x250 max) medium (500x500 max) large ( > 500x500) Full Resolution . Read some real history, as it was prevalent among the 5ct. I can't speak for others but I don't recognize federal recognition. Thanks! here are my names below only on my moms dads side, only with moytoys ancestors and decendants. Old Hop went to live with his Aunt and Uncle Amatoya Moytoy after the death of his parents. We need to connectI would love to talk with you. Since I'm posting this on the world WILD web, here is my untraceable number: (424) 274-0663. You can find out more on RootsWeb, (Miller/Rider/Dees)Note* Granuaille means Grasshopper. He was not a Cherokee as many believe. I am also a descendent and am on a path to trace heritage since my deceased mother had set out to do. Thank you. Watts responded by invading the Holston area with more than 1,000 Cherokee, Muscogee, and Shawnee warriors, one of the largest Indian forces seen in the region. His mother/sister (?) It couldn't have been the Vanns could it? My email is billallison60@gmail.com and I am very interested in any information concerning this. In reply to: Re: Daniel D. Watts - AL b. abt. 5107126039. Watts moved with the band downriver to Running Water Town, still in Tennessee but further from the frontier. Browse or search the Cherokee genealogy queries posted to All Things Cherokee in May 2011. Elizabeth Watts Gore Daughter of Roberta Parker Watts and John B. Watts Jr., Elizabeth grew up in Little Rock, cultivating lasting friendships in her passage through local institutions. John Watts father was a white trader and interpreter (also named John Watts) who came into the Cherokee Nation before 1752. That would be part English. Watts likes to keep her personal life private hence she has not yet disclosed the date, month, or the year she was born. V. Adams->Wiley Vaughn Adams & Eugenia Olive Adams->Polly Vann (born Terrapin), John Cherokee Oowanee Vann, John Interpreter Vann, John Trader Vann. Elizabeth. My daughter will be interested in your info. She is also said to have been the mother of George Gist, known by his Cherokee name, "Sequoyah", who is credited as creating the Cherokee alphabet and writing system. ELIZABETH WATTS - people search, genealogy, find deceased relatives and locate ancestors: Name SSN Date of birth Date of death Lived State Zip Code (Last Residence) Zip Code (Lump Tax payment) ELIZABETH WATTS: 218-30-5302: June 6, 1892: July 1, 1963: 71 years : ELIZABETH WATTS: 353-22-6693: November 25, 1893: June 1, 1965: Again here's my number let's link up. I would appreciate any information about this couple. It's wonderful to actually see this. My father's family can be tranced back to Maryland and in documents it said that one of the sons had married an Indian woman and I didn't think anything about it at the time until I saw the leaf on Prudence which opened up all the records showing she was a full Cherokee Indian and her father and so on. I really hate to burst your bubble. here are my direct lineal ancestors which have proved no avail. At such an early time, it would have been expected. Maybe he did and she had already fallen in love with George Booker. Elizabeth said she was born June 15, 1848 in Monroe County, Tennessee and that her parents Hiram Goad and Eliza Jane Nickolson Goad were living there in 1851. LDS records gives an Elizabeth Lewis as a wife of a John Benge. Watts was seriously wounded, and Siksika (known as "The Shawnee Warrior," and an older brother of Tecumseh)); Tahlonteeskee (also called Talotiskee of the Broken Arrow, a Muscogee warrior); Little Owl (a brother of Dragging Canoe); and Pumpkin Boy (a brother of Doublehead), all died in the encounter.[4]. I am descended through Moytoy the Pigeon, Willenawah Great Eagle, Chief Doublehead, Gu-Lu-Sti-Yu, Nannie Riley. Mary Parris Palone was born in Georgia in 1841 and died in Westville, Oklahoma, in 1921 and is buried at the Old Baptist Mission Cemetery there, right across the road from the church (where I was married in 1984). One of my Dad's cousins applied for tribal membership and received it. Hanging Maw was wounded, while his wife and daughter (along with several other Indians and one of the white delegates), were killed. charlotte a. kirkland ,I am cousin to some of yall.I am throughamatoya moytoyquatsy of tellico they are my 10th ggrand parents.my tree goes on into the heltons,where eudica d helton mar. jeudi 8 novembre 1979, Journaux, Ottawa :[Le droit],1913- . Robin Moytoy married Rowland Judd and they moved to Wilkes county , NC. I have been doing research for ten years in hopes to find a roll number to which I can apply for a CDIB card from at Cherokee Nation in Tahlequah, OK. I just do not know how to prove this. John Riley. Best wishes on your ancestral journey. Hey Mae West,Yes Amatoya Moytoy was his grandfather. I can't see a powerful chief not pursuing this and getting his daughter back. Moytoy is considered to be full-blood by members of the Nation because his white father married Pride, a Shawnee. White men and women who married Cherokees are then considered to be a member of the tribe. They run a great organization called The Rainbow House. But trying to find of there is a roll number. With the defeat of the Western Confederacy at the Battle of Fallen Timbers by the United States, and the destruction of Nickajack Town and Running Water Town in September 1794, the leaders of the Lower Cherokee became convinced that continuing the war was futile. It is wonderful, if you know your family heritage or have stories of generations that came before you. I believe William should be detached from Wurteh. I can day one thing I was born in Virginia from where the research shows Moytoy started , is it by chance it all comes together EXCATLY where my alive relatives are and born ? John Watts 1746-1808 was the "mixed-blood", or mixed-race son of British trader John Watts 1704-1779 and a Cherokee mother, Oousta White Owl Carpenter 1722-1768. 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