I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. is unknown. Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. (communications maintenance squadron), Kraftfahrabteilung 3. Die neue Polizii, welche grunstzlich fr den Uusendienst bestimmt und uniformiert ift, versieht nicht nur den allgemeinen Sicherheitsdienst, fondern hat auch fr die Frhaltung der Ordnung, Ruhe und Reinlichteit, fr die Bertehrsregelung, fr die uissere heilghaltung der Sonn= und Feiertage, das Gesangenentransportwesen und schlieslich fr die Beachtung der wirtschastsportwesen Grundstze Sorge zu tragen. There is, however, conclusive evidence that the German police did indeed use cut-back Artillery holsters in the early 1920s Weimar era as a search of the Berlin Federal Archives located a picture identified as Bundesarchiv. Hard to find historic variation. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. I am interested in the following symbols on the bottom side of the magazine, too. Numbers are matching except for firing pin. the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not As a matter of note the police cleaning rod could be used without the barrel attached muzzle protector. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. yes sir it the sear and magazine safety installed. The Treaty of Versailles (through the IMKK) restricted the size of Weimar 5. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. $2,535.00 Compare ERFURT 1918 MILITARY - D13019 He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. Faint, illegible makers markings are stamped inside the cover flap. Otherwise, the magazine has no proof stamps or markings besides the serial number. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. Caliber 7.62mm - 6.5" barrel. regulations issued in 1930, and are shown in the following table. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. Knowledge is power, this applies to everyone who is in public life and strives forwards, but especially for the police officers, because his job brings him into close contact with the population every hour. Some of the Police guns are reported with DWM toggles; these do not appear in any recognizable pattern. Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". section slot then, 2) inserting Magistrat und Polizeiverwaltung Stadt Reichenbach=Municipality and police administration City Reichenbach, Knigl. The 1928 Instruction for the Police of the State of Prussia, (V.f.d.P.) To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. (communications training Apparently, as to whether to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and or cover flap of a cut-back Artillery to Police holster to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is necessary, all depends on the availability multiple makers of used and unused WW1 Artillery holsters to different Artillery holster leather makers in 1920s Germany that were available to a host of leather craftsmen to be refurbished for Police use. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. The pistol is fitted with a set of checkered walnut grips. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. they are found. 03-16-2021 11:59 AM by mrerick. It worked through various the Note, these two WaAJL16 holsters are in private collections and are not pictured or discussed in any prior Luger publications, except on Luger forum sites with the last mention of the WaAJL16 stampings being discussed in 2008. 19-216). a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. It is not Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. DWM Luger Identification Guide. Remnants of the original artillery holster body up-strap attachment are visible; the cover flap keeper strap and the brass stud were removed and the hole was plugged in the cover flap and a belt buckle/strap closure, as stated above was added. The original brown leather holster was probably dyed/swabbed black, at this time, to conform to regulations. The S.E.I. Additionally, this holster was used extensively as evidenced by its less than pristine condition, possibly being carried in the late days of the war in the defense of Berlin. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example, not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded, 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum), two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Description. Sticky: Book Review History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings.. It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would It is described as "Berlin Police Armory Acceptance Stamp. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. According to the Standard Catalog of Luger by Davis the meaning of this marking is unknown. If instead of replacing and/or adding a brass stud, the leather worker, when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. The 2008 discussions were all over the map with collectors stating that the WOL Costanzo comments were incorrect, disputing the WaAJL16 stamp as incorrectly interpreted by Costanzo as being WaAJt16. Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." 1014 stamped on the back side along with an Eagle/Mg10 stamping, considered by Luger collectors to be rare on holsters, particularly on Police Luger holsters. Per Luger collectors the E/Mg10 marking is rarely encountered. Each faded green soft cover Lehrbuch or text book was printed using the early offset printing process consisting of 231 pages of Weimar era Police "Guidelines". Pictured are three views of a fine example holster; view 1, view 2, view 3. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Gustav Reinhardt Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L. Sch.137. One of GT's luger mounts arrived a couple of days ago. links[1]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; Knowing that, and having the history of the Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation. 3 5 in Book II, Police Chief Baetsch, Ministry of the Interior, kindly supported me, for which I would like to express my warmest thanks to him. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . Die neue Reichs= und die preusishe Bersassung haben bereits einige wichtige Orgnzungen ersahren: weitere Gestze sind in nachster Zeit zu erwarten. When is the right time to sell back 9780985833503 Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958? Five Complete Chapters covered by the book include: Chapt. However, no Police bayonets, in general, were issue items, so they would be more "service" items, rather than dress. indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. These consisted of the following city and I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade, whereas with the original blade length, the fuller would have stopped well before the tip. Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859. states the following regarding this variation. If you are looking for something similarly long, RIA has a Farsi-marked Persian contract Mauser Artillery Luger with an 8-inch barrel. 1930s and beyond with a Weimar era made, seven ring wooden barrel handle cleaning rod, as mentioned, specifically made for use with police Lugers, Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. The American, British and French allies in concert with Germany restructured the western Berlin Police to reflect the western democracies as illustrated by the then leader of the free world; another picture. Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946, other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster, a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. Mge auch die zweite Uuslage jedem Polizeibeamten weiterhin ein gutter Fhrer auf dem schwierigen Gebiete des polizeilichen Missens sein. View First Unread . WaA107 Hans Rmer Neu-Ulm, Donau 1936. Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular ----------------------------------------------------------- page 12 ----------------------------------------------------------, Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. The German state depended on the stabilizing Interestingly, this example used the expected regulation police holster up-strap and stud closure. Holster front view pictured with P.08. The holster was dyed black as evidenced on the holster body back panel original brown color. Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. The initials MG represent machine gun and the number being (page 108) 10th Training Corps or (page 216) with the 10 denoting the team number. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and It is identical to the 4mm conversion unit part that retains the barrel and may be one and the same. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. Although, common to both cut-back Artillery holsters featured herein, as originally made, was the inability to close the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap over a fully inserted Police cleaning rod without modifications, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud on the subject example 1 unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location to the example 2, 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap. 31. PREUEN marked eagle, round belt buckle, gold or silver, has been identified. Approximately 3,000 produced. Nuernberg (Nuremberg procurement office), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Sued (South Bavarian avaiation supervision), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Nord (North Bavarian aviation supervision), Nachrichtentechniche Abteilung (communications section), Ausbildungsstaffel der Nachr. 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