They used to file as a 501(d) as a religious community. It was completed right before he was elected POTUS. Just, because. kind of like one of the jobs of a celebrity is to look like they are having the time of their life (or anyones life). In fact, there is now so much info online to educate churches about sexual abuse that ministries have no excuse for being ignorant. Twodozen of them now regularly communicate by text message, Hoffpauir said. Based on what weve experienced (subtle and not-so-subtle emotional and spiritual abuse of our children at the hands of leaders) and experiences of friends (e.g., a prominent local church knowingly put a child sex offender who was on probation in charge of the high school youth group; he promptly started sexually harassing my daughters 16 year old best friend and my daughter personally witnessed him making cracks about taking care of her best friends boyfriend so as to get him out of the way so hed have free reign over her). I am thinking that this is a text book case of misunderstanding all the way around. But here is something which Jesus himself inaugurated and the Presence is understood differently in the Sacrament than if the doctrine of the omnipresence of God. it was very moving. I guess what it is coming down to for me is not trusting Christians to be objective and not try to cover for a brother in Christ. Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:49 PM PST. Its not just the few bad guys getting outed. She's just, she's trying to figure it out. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. Brian wrote: They know what persona will put them beyond being doubted or questioned. We spent a weekend in Branson back in 06, when it was just getting started. I don't carewhether the abuserswere volunteers, contractors, or direct hires, the church still bears responsibility for its actions. It is really weird to hear missionaries speaking in tongues labeled as liberal. NO PARENTS were ever told about any of this. :o) and it is much cheaper than paying out zillions in lawsuit. He and his wife are sexual abuse trial lawyers. A petition was created to force Kanakuk to release victims and their families of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) that legally obstruct their testimonies against the camp. @ BeenThereDoneThat: "The sin is what goes on in the mind. And the name Branson, MO sounds vaguely familiar. https://www.gofundme.com/pxs5dk. As you may know, Pete Newman was employed at K-Kountry. We have talked about this before, but I think that we are not talking about the same thing when we use the term soul competency. I never heard those specific words until I ran into them here on TWW. After all Sandy Willson had more pressing issues! Steve Taylor, I Manipulate. I get trying to weed them out on the front end and that is good but we are dealing with master cons. Branson is a popular vacation site. Was it okay because there was adult supervision, and they were all boys together? PP was not very influential in this neck of the woods in SBC circles. Here is my bottom line for all churches and parachurches: Churches and Ministries: stop making your uninformedchurch members and attendees the guinea pigs foryour gospel experiments withpedophilesand voyeurs. They honestly believe the leaders have the answers. @ Lydia: I know highly trained auditors (including in my family) and they arent licensed. I think this is one reason child sexual predation is played down and people end up feeling empathy for molesters especially Christian ones. (Not sure of his position, but I think it involved church music.) We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. A camp staffer referred questionsto a general "communications" inbox. Hes in the cesspool himself. @ Christiane: Ive referred to these religious leaders in the past as modern day Pharisees, that no longer works. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Haw! If anyone has the means to contribute that would be appreciated right now. And a serious change in the attitude/ theology which seems to be popular today that there is no such thing as evil and that all sins are equally egregious and that repentance is a cure. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). And why not? And I repeat, the pastors and teachers are the keepers of the knowledge as it were which enables one to adhere to scripture as understood by some particular group. "Your voice gave me a voice," Hoffpauir said he told journalist Nancy French after reports on Kanakuk by Frenchand her husband, David French, were first published last year by The Dispatch, a conservative-leaning news website. asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. We are talking about something I find very scary for innocents out there when it comes to Christian organizations. Even without intentions, entropy easily sets in over time and they can drift into serious Cult territory. I wasnt thinking independent, actually it could be aligned with the denomination of your choice, but just not one interested in becoming a major player or adopting the sell-your-soul-to-grow-your-church groupthink we so regularly discuss here. I think that the active acceptance of the priority of personal moral conscience may be the one thing that has kept Christian orthodoxy clear of cult thinking because it allows the Holy Spirit to BE the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian person directly. (Deebs, thanks for all you do. Hoffpauir said that leading up to his marriage, he'd asked himself, "Who's the most spiritual, influential person in my life? Did you see Spotlight? First. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. i was a camper there for 6 years and i loved every minute of it. Did she really say that? Gradually, they connected with others who identify as survivors. (Im sure there were campers getting together in high school but thats sort of normal). I think he is clever and I have no doubt his materials are good. There are powers that are ancient and evil that we cannot see that lie behind the scandals that we can. Believing you are one of Gods special elect doesnt make it so if you do not follow Jesus example. We are talking about someone who did not just tell lies but rather about someone whose whole being is a lie, to the very core of personhood. When Dygert and Hoffpauir's families learned of the abuse, it caused them to be "damaged from the inside," in the words of Dygert's civil lawsuit papers. (?) How about your local church? We'll let you decide. Unfortunately, it seems to indicate that Fellowship Memphis does not take either child sex abuse or voyeurism seriously. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. And I just didn't answer. The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. Many of Sammys victims only knew Sammy through the LifeWay CentriFUGE camps. The following is the alleged timeline as best as our informant can remember. He was in the temple courts, he was disrupting the precursors to worship, which included trading the evil Roman money for holy temple money so people could buy sacrificial animals. I cant even begin to imagine. They can either open their eyes at that point and learn about reality, or they can close them, turn away, refuse to acknowledge their part in enabling a deception. Judge Orr retired to his chambers to decide Newman's fate for a little over 40 minutes, when he came back and delivered the verdicts it seemed that both side were a little stunned. They dont take time off. But fixing the heart? The church oversaw several businesses run by members, including a building contractor. I want to thank the former attendee of this church for revealing the following information. Getting your license now requires an extra year of classes in Ethics! But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. Mohlers boys in appointed positions accused a Baptist college here as going liberal. Our pride rebels. Oh my gosh, this is heartbreaking, heartbreaking. Titles? In an expos published by The Dispatch, David and Nancy French detailed how Kanakuk Kamp in Branson, Missouri, handled reports of abuse committed by Pete Newman, a former camp counselor who rose in the ranks to become the camp's director and used his position to groom boys. Thermidorians stage a Coup on the Jacobins, In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuk says it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. http://www.netgrace.org/how-we-help That is certainly true along with the rest of your excellent comment. And future victims in that Church need protection from a leadership staff that knowingly would even let danger in the door. Lea wrote: Pretty sick stuff. ", "The issue of right and wrong with masturbation is the issue of lust," White wrote in his '90s-era book for Christian youth, published in connection with a fundamentalistchurch nonprofit, Focus on the Family. Every time we talk, she cries about it. Top/down authoritarian polity churches dont fire their leaders. And this inappropriate behavior didnt raise any red flags for them? How to Resign from a Church I guess he wouldnt have clientel to train and make a salary from if he had a reputation for suing on behalf of victims. Even some small towns. There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. Without it, external authority can squash ones internal frame of moral reference and ability to meet with God in the sanctuary that is ones conscience. But sadly, theres a lot of people that will listen just because that person insists on being called to ministry. And since he's a guy, I mean, that's what he would say, like, 'We're just guys, we're not gay. Accusations of sex abuse tied to Newman and Kanakuk have made headlines recently as two journalists with conservative online news site The Dispatch published a report on March 28 that asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic than previously understood. Most never know anything much ( they dont even demand to see detailed budget on how their own money is spent ) unless someone speaks up. There is a part of the ritual which includes the prayer of confession and the pronouncement of absolution by the priest. What is the Christian formation for the development of moral conscience within the neo-Cal theology??? At least thats how it feels. At Fellowship Memphis, the leadership has allegedly assertedthat Newman was merely a contractor. Sandy kicked the issue over to Richard Rieves. Kanakuks opposition statement also states that the plaintiff alleges Kanakuk and those two officers, White and Cooper, failed to safeguard him, however, there is nothing in these allegations that should subject White or Cooper to personal, individual liability. His conscience is mans most secret core and his sanctuary. We have decided to redact his name for the sake of privacy. @ Loren R Haas: And we wonder why the Done ranks are swelling? He currently resides in Branson, Missouri, with his wife, Debbie Jo. There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. All of this costs money and the law firm has to lay that money out. You are brave. He was the pastor who allegedly kept thing on the down low. But not "Christian" groups, they cover it up, ignore it and move on!! No kidding! Dantonists stage a Coup on the Hebertists. so, what i was getting at is my observation for why church leaders accommodate questionable behavior in their staff and themselves (which, of course, in this context is criminal behavior to people who breath oxygenated air), instead of being tough. I think that seems to be what has been created. It is my hope that Kanakuk be successfully sued for their lack of diligence with the lives of children. . My daughter has forwarded this link to many of her colleagues; I hope it will open eyes and help prevent sexual abuse. What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? I cant answer for Okrapod, but likely the sacrament is reserved means that the Real Presence is within the sanctuary. It seems totally normal. Because we have Jobs and Lives and have to pause sometime; the fanboy doesnt. The first time former Kanakuk camp director Pete Newman was reported for being nude with kids was in 1999 the same year he became a full-time employee at the Branson-based Christian athletic . @ Lea: http://www.nakedpastor.com/ They could not sign because of the restriction on women. Education the parishioners that sometimes your pastor is not your friend, does not care about your children? However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. Is this the only Christian camp in Branson? Is that the town described in that one Simpsons episode as what Las Vegas would be like if it were run by Ned Flanders? 23,515 views Sep 15, 2011 : ( We all love and miss Pete, He was a great influence on all our kid's lives. The male buddy-system seems to be forged in such a way that tolerance for the presence of an abuser is much greater among these male-headship idolators. Like barbarians, the most vulnerable are just collateral damage to them while protecting institutions and titles. So true. Thank you, ladies for your hard work. We believe that a valid receiving of the Eucharist can be done with merely the bread or the wine or with both the bread and wine, preference being both. -Newman had one-on-one Bible studies with boys in his hot tub. It's two grand-plus to go to camp for two weeks. Branson is a popular vacation site. Neither GRACE nor MinistrySafe brings lawsuits against churches. Its not just religious organizations where the problem lies. Did he really believe that because its what hed been told by Joe White, or did he know more? CEO and Board Chair, and his wife Debbie-Jo, Vice President, who inherited their roles from Joe's parents in the 1970s. Now THATS a Baptist college to be proud of! Reporters working for the Springfield. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. And I found something interesting: Historically there have been two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor and The Slick Deceiver (easily symbolized by The Beast and The False Prophet). According to Red Dirt Report inSandusky-like camp director arrested in Missouri what did Kanakuk's "godlike" Joe White know? Kanakuk said in its most recent IRS filing thatrevenues topped $31.6 million in 2019. It's been over 20 years since the abuse began for me by Pete Newman of Kanakuk Kamps. There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. Lorittsallegedly responded "It was just some skinny dippingthing." Plaintiffs accusedother Kanakuk officials, including owner White,of being aware that Newman had abused kidsyearsbefore Newman's criminal conviction. yes, it came to me in a flash of brilliance that was a lot like the beginning of a migraine . Criminal behavior to knowingly bring a man charged with paedophilia anywhere NEAR children . Maybe Im not understanding what you mean. Also, here is the little description: I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. Huh? These churches believe they are beyond reproach. I wonder how many more will be done with the institutional church because Bryan Loritts then hired the guy and minimized his crimes. ******************** It was a power play, which posed as getting rid of those %%%%% liberals. And I already used up my EL&P ration for this thread, Association of Related Churches If I followed what you said, I would have to pack up my signs and sit on my hands 15 miles away instead of warning people (in my quite imperfect way). I know many, many people who send their kids to Kanakuk year after year. How can a group of Christians think that setting up a system where men expect women to kow-tow to their needs submissively is anything more than unwholesome???? He spoke to thousands of kids every year through LifeWay. Any sensible person would want to protect an organization from liabilities. No one else said it was wrong. "We're getting ready to go to bed and I look over and all of a sudden, he's got an erection under the blanket," Dygert said. @ Lea: Both programs stressed two things. I can only conclude that they simple dont care whether anyone is abused in that church. There have been some problems with this in the business world as well. @ okrapod: Putting a building on a pedestal does not fall in that category. When she called Sandy Wilson a narcissist, that was presumably a diagnosis, not merely name-calling. And the real issue is this: If Mark Driscoll had made any effort at a real amends to the people he harmed, like Paul Petry and his wife Jonna, their children, and others for the firings, excommunications, and shunningsand all of the other lies and abusesyou wouldnt be out there. Throw out people who make truly negligent decisions on this, every time maybe? NOBODY will EVER believe yoU! and as backup support when things get sticky (Friends in High Places, like Facilier the Bokor in Disneys The Princess and the Frog.) Prayer Requests Particularly when those who do it depend on the assistance of guides, trackers, and sometimes bait to make their kills. Any church leader who takes part in bringing paedophilia into the Church needs to be got out of ministry and kept out of ministry. Exception to that would be the trinitarian baptismal formula. The use of the word sin in terms of this pedophile doesnt go far enough. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. I knew a lot of them in seminary. Bad press maybe. (I have repented!) Why is this so *hard* for churches to get right? After gas which will be about thirty bucks a week, so I will have made 38.00 take home, wow it puts it into perspective for me im making about .27 cents an hour take home after taxes and gas. Dygert and Hoffpauir became friends in middle school, and both said that in the years since, each was often the only other confidant available. There are some decent people in church, and if we can teach them that is all to the good. "He, like, challenged me," Dygert said. Can you point me to Friedmans writings in which he talks about doing the right thing? I think thats what some of these Christian abuse prevention organizations are attempting to do. The police will generally only end up arresting the actual offender, which doesnt do anything to change the hiring practices, system protection in place, etc. Disturbing, incredibly so, but I dont know what other conclusions to reach. I have already listed what bothered me the most about what he said on the clip but did not mention his emphasizing that his materials were written specifically for Christians (and not the secular stuff, he insisted) and ithey are written shepherd to sheep and sheep to sheep. It is better for him if a millstone is hung around his neck and he is cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble. Their works define them and their faith IS their works. But why would authority in one thing lead you to allow somebody else authority who is so obviously a problem (like, just for example, men awaiting trial for abusing children)? But Pete Newman's guilty plea, according to lawyer David French and his wife Nancy, who wrote about the Kanakuk cases for The Dispatch, is "the tip of a terrible iceberg. In the summer of 2003, the petition says, Newman lured the children with a yellow jeep into "spending time with him on Kanakuk property.". Oh my goodness. Gateway claims to do background checks on all their staff who work with children. They also claimed no one at Gateway had been filmed on their property, which may have been technically true, but several Gateway student and leader victims were taped at offsite properties where overnight events were held. I dont have time to watch this video to make sure its exactly what I was remembering (although I think hes said similar things in other contexts), but its labeled Milton Friedman: Make Politically Profitable For Wrong People To Do Right Thing. They were spurred by a growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk that began in early 2021. Christianne is a catholic and I am an episcopalian and our beliefs about the Lords Supper aka communion aka Holy Eucharist are similar but not identical in all aspects. I dont get how some of these ministry leaders arent being criminally prosecuted sense they had enough information to know something was amiss. I laughed so hard while watching the video of everyone standing. They fool everyone. If I had young children and theyd been to any Christian activities, I would be paranoid. "Sadly, Pete Newman was a master of deception fooling family, friends, neighbors, and us as his former employer. Had Newman been caught in a sexual relationship with another consenting adult in his own age group, hed have been removed from his position as camp counselor and probably shamed and pariahed out of his church to boot. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. I dont see that as a problem per se. But I think we, as the church need to have a come to Jesus meeting with our supposed leaders. There are goats. Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. So I started going to Youth Life, hanging out with Pete. Thanks for being on top of things. HUG, there may be another, albeit more difficult, option. I dont agree we are talking about Christian institutions that want to do the right thing. Have a young friend, barely into his thirties, and the head and associate pastor at his wonderful neocal church are painfully young, both about his age, he hasnt been attending this church long, but he absolutely raves about how genuine and humble these guys are, how they admit their faults, how they get it right better than anyone hes ever seen. Since 1926, Kanakuk has been the Christian summer camp for over 300,000 youth. That just destroyed her, and my family was shocked.". I hear you. I luv ice cream, but we dont need camo anything at Camp Backbone. "And the counselor was like, the camp's reaching out to victims, and don't worry about that. @ BeenThereDoneThat: tee hee. "They were mostly promoting Youth Life at that time," Dygert said, referencing the religious youth group that Kanakuk now calls "K-Life. 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